Loadstar-Letter-Issue-25

T .OADSTAR LETTER #25

August 1995 companion newsletter for LOADSTAR #135, the world's longest running C-64 magazine.

Amiga Technologies, unlike the former Commodore, reacted.
Upon firm pricing and marketing details we will immediately let
the user know."

Thanks to GEnie's Amiga roundtable for this information.
Their roving reporter stated that Escom has belatedly realized
that the pricing policy previously announced was a formula for
failure in the U.S. market and has covered its tracks by declaring
that there never was a price set. CEI had conducted a survey
among its many dealers, in which the key question was "how
many A4000Ts can you sell at $3500?". I saw the dealer
responses... typically it was a mixture of ONE.. .TWO. ..maybe
THREE. Almost every survey form included the comment "price
way too high!" □

Review: The STAR SJ-144 Heat
Fusion Color Printer

By Jeff Jones. I'd never so
anticipated using a new printer -- and
never disliked a printer more. I don't |
understand how Compute! could have
given this printer a favorable review.
You've seen the ads for years now. This I
printer appeared a few years ago for an '
exorbitant $500. Why pay $500 for a new iffy printer when you
could get a real laser printer for that price? But this new STAR
printer was color, right? The STAR SJ-144 is a "Laser Quality"
color printer. "Laser Quality" only because of it's maximum DPI
(dots per inch) of 360. But as far as laser uniformity goes, this
printer is pales beside the average good impact dot matrix printer.
In other words, if the printer were put together better, your
printout would look ten times as sharp. And perhaps some units
are put together better. The one I got in the mail was a
disappointment. The weak link is the heat fusion technology, and
the shoddy workmanship.

And The Banding Played on! The manual all but
confesses to the STAR SJ-144' s massive banding problem. The
manual makes it clear that the printer allows you to adjust the
amount of micro line feed from the front panel. Have you ever
heard of such a setup procedure? It prints a graphic test pattern.
You're supposed to increase the feed until the banding overlap
disappears. Trouble was, it never disappeared. The only way to
eliminate banding was to set the feed so high that there were
actual gaps in the graphic - which is just as bad as banding.

Fortunately the printer has a permanent memory so that if,
and I repeat, if, you get a perfect test pattern, you can save that
line feed setting so that it returns even after the printer has been
turned off. I had to settle for a little banding.

As a text printer, the unit is equally unimpressive. The
wide head prints about three lines at a time, which is interesting
to watch, and it works pretty quietly. Clearly the letters are more
sculpted than any 9-pin printer, but other than that, the printer's
stunning lack of quality shines through. Flakes of those perfectly
sculpted letters were missing. Typical cheap thermal transfer.
Take a look at your LOADSTAR disk. Our Rirnage copiers use a
single-pass thermal transfer ribbon to copy the characters to the

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CEI Announces Outrageously High-
Priced Amiga. S.N.A.F.U. Ensues.

by Jeff Jones with Help from GEnie's SAM Report. No C-
64s mentioned yet! Early on during the fiasco that was
Commodore's liquidation, it was rumored that CEI would at least
continue a composite video-based monitor line, which would be
beneficial to 40-column C-64 users. Well Escom came out on top
in the negotiations, but CEI is still in the loop. Recently they
announced that they would begin selling a new tower version of
the Amiga 4000, at the exorbitant price (for an underdog
computer) of $3400. Can anyone think of a home PC priced that
high? Mind you, no bundling with a jet ski or laser printer was
mentione.

On July 14, 1995, Escom stated of CEL'There has recently
been an announcement made by an American distributor about a
price for the Amiga 4000T of 3500 USD. We would like to
contradict this information as it has not come from one of our
official press releases. There have been no firm distribution
contracts or agreements signed yet for northern America. There
has been no decision taken yet concerning the pricing of the
Amiga 4000T in the USA."

On July 16, a spokesman for CEI denied any knowledge
that Escom/ Amiga Technologies had rescinded the agreement
published July 6th in which CEI was appointed Amiga distributor
for the Americas.

On July 17, CEI said the following: "It has become
apparent the pressure exerted by the users and dealers has
worked. In their latest release Amiga Technologies hints at a
reconsideration of the price for the A4000T. In a faxed survey
CEI dealers loudly stated their anger at the $3500 price. CEI is
pleased that the whole Amiga community mobilized and that

The LOADSTAR LETTER #25 Q August 1995 Q Page 2

label on your disks. If you want to see
how the black and white output of the
STAR SJ-144 looks, just run some sand
paper over your label.

The process is rather simple and
should be flawless. You have a plastic
film coated with a vinyl film that you heat
in order to make it stick to paper. This is
sort of what happens in a laser printer,
only there you have a fine plastic dust that
is melted to the paper. With the heat
fusion process, you generally have a
single-pass opaque ribbon that is left clear
after a dot has been printed. You're left
with a negative image on the used ribbon.
Oddly enough, the color ribbons
seem quite subdued and transparent,
probably because they are multi-pass. I'm
not sure. Were they opaque and single
pass, the printouts (at least of primary
colors) should be brilliant.

While printing in color, be prepared
to wait. No, your computer hasn't
crashed. It takes that long. And be
prepared for the color ribbon to fast
forward and rewind to the proper color.
Some mixing does take place, and the
printer can produce some ugly mixes, but
that's true of most color printers under
$1000.

STAR sent the printer to me as a
review unit years ago. I used it, hated it,
and decided not to review it. Now I see it
being dumped on the market for as little
as $199 through places like Damark.
$199? Color? Some of our beloved
subscribers might actually byte on that.
So here's a review to warn you of what
you'll actually receive. The output of this
printer is reminiscent of the old Okimate
10 and 20. Same technology. In fact I
can't tell the two apart. Remember the
Okimates? Sharp print, but with bits of
characters flaked off because the transfer
of film to paper was too fast, or wasn't
done with enough pressure.

We did get a couple of nice color
printer dumps using Super Snapshot and
The Compleat Walt. But a color ribbon,
which costs way over ten bucks, is gone
before you know it. If you want a color
printer, get a color Canon Bubble Jet or
even one of STAR'S older color impact
dot matrix printers over this one. It's just
not better.

If you want real laser quality color,
you'll have to spend way over $1000.
There's no way around it. Maybe STAR
should have bit the bullet and made the
SJ-144 a $700-$1000 printer. Obviously
they tried to keep the price down and
settled around the $500 range for starters.
But there they had a terrible machine with
great potential. This is obviously a
machine that started on paper as a dream
machine, but ended up cheapened after a
few high-powered war room sessions.
Honestly, this could have been a great
printer. It is laden with great firmware
features, and an impressive front panel. If

only all that razzle dazzle translated to
decent output.

A color bubble jet or the older,
slower, louder impact color printers are
light years ahead of the STAR SJ-144. If
you want laser quality, get a laser. □

Commodore's Secret
Formula For Going
Out of Business

by Jeff Jones. "Give 'em what they
want" has been the battle cry of marketers
for centuries. Since the 80s, that cry has
been mutated into "Tell 'em that they
need only what you have, why they need
it. That'll make 'em want it, and then
they'll buy it." Commodore Business
Machines went by the boneheaded creed,
"Our customers are too stupid and cheap
to know what they want. Here 's the menu.
It won 't change! " Despite this attitude,
Commodore enjoyed surprising success
into the ninteies, with a billion dollar year
as late as 1991. Much of that billion came
from sales of 800,000 C-64 units in one
year in America and mainly Germany.

But Commodore wanted to be
known for its Amiga, no matter how well
the C-64 sold. The Amiga would have
been a killer machine, had they actually
supported and pushed it. It used to
produce "oohs" and "ahhs," even in the
hallowed halls of Softdisk. Other
computers simply couldn 't do what the
Amiga did. But over the course of a few
years, The PC and the Mac changed by
leaps and bounds while the Amiga began
to seem more and more expensive
compared to the evolving PC. Now you
can get more PC than Amiga for your
dollar.

So why is Commodore even in the
picture? It boils down to Customer
loyalty, which is odd because
Commodore treated its customers and
dealers like dirt. I've never felt more
condescended to than when I spoke with
Commodore on the phone. My friend who
owns a Commodore service center hated
doing business with Commodore because
they didn't pay him for warranty work.
They only credited his account for
Commodore purchases — which he wasn't
making many of since he was selling
many more PCs than Commodores. That
was why Commodore service centers
were so rare.

But there was one huge factor
that killed Commodore, and will
eventually shatter Commodore support in
America: The Wait!

"The Wait" was the state the
Commodore's fat cats were in during the
last few years. They got as rich as they
could, but felt with all their hearts that
they couldn't compete with the PC. They
were "waiting" for the moment when the

last person tossed his C-64 into the attic.
Heck, even MAC people were "waiting" in
the early 90s. It looked bleak for non-PCers.
"The Wait" was the pessimism that I
encountered when I came to Softdisk in 1988
when everyone thought that LOADSTAR
would be dead in two years. I see "The Wait"
in every letter and Email I receive from
people who ask me if LOADSTAR is still in
business.

Let's face it. Everybody expects 8-bit
to die. Tell people that you're using a C-64
and they make faces. They just don't
understand how you could find it useful.
How could a computer platform not die
when it has a reputation like that?

Well I'm proud to be part of a group of
true capitalist Americans, who see a market,
and point the money vacuum in that market's
direction. There are still millions of
Commodore users around the world. The
trouble is, we have no common forum. Of
the myriads of Commodore users out there,
only a few thousand have even heard of
LOADSTAR. Many who call LOADSTAR
looking for help have never heard of CMD.
In my opinion, CMD is the most happening
thing in Commodore USA these days.
Everyone should have an FD-2000.

CMD isn't waiting for you to switch
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either, and neither is LOADSTAR. No,
that's the last thing we want. We saw what
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Jim Brain Talks

by Jeff Jones. Jim Brain is one of those
guys who can slice time. He has his own web
page, handles the CBM FAQ (frequently

asked
questions)
file, has
recently
taken over
C=Hacking
magazine,
and who
knows what
else.
Recently I
saw Jim
mentioned in
a rather large
article in
USA Today.
It's not often you see the Commodore
mentioned anywhere nowadays. To see a
picture of a CBM machine next to a picture
of Jim Brain in a national paper just floored
me. So I Emailed a few questions to this
rising star. Here's how he handled them:

Jeff: I read your article in USA Today. I was
very surprised to see it - and surprised at

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your young age.

Jim: Well, does it change your
impression of me? A young sprout I am,
but I had no choice....

Jeff: Not at all! I'm only more impressed.
Just like Kevin Thomas in our Tech
support department, you're another young
guy who's been around more than me. At
24, you've accomplished a lot. You'll
probably speak minimally of it all in your
50s.

Jim: How old are you anyway?

Jeff: 31, going on 18 if this Slim Fast
stuff works. In any case, what prompted
the article?

Jim: Leslie Miller, the author of the
article, was surfing the Web and ran
across my WWW site at:

http://www. msen. comJ-brainJ

I don't know if she was looking for info
on "orphan" computers or not, but she
mailed me immediately after seeing the
page asking for me to call her for an
interview.

Jeff: Did you feel the dirty demon of
digital bigotry rearing its ugly head
during the interaction?

Jim: Actually, not with Mrs. Miller, as
she is an old Commodore user. She was
ALIENNE on Qlink, and met her husband
there. She was amazed we had progressed
so far, but was very sympathetic to
Commodore users. If you read any
"Commodore slamming" done in the
article, it was probably as much my fault
as hers, as I love my machines, but I also
know they won't do everything. I think
the Commodore machine has a number of
advantages over other computers for

some groups of people, but I am
unwilling to become a religious zealot
and claim there is no other computer
worthy of use. If that makes me any less
of a Commodore fan, then oh well.

Jeff: I agree, but it can't be overstated
how underrated the C-64 is. Do you feel
that they left out pertinent information?
For instance, I saw no mention of
Creative Micro Designs (CMD) or
Software Support International (SSI),
which are big Commodore outlets.

Jim: First, I did feel some info was left
out, but before we lay blame, let me
answer the second question:

I gave Miller the info for CMD,
PPI, SSI, LOADSTAR and a few others. I
would have liked to see the info in there,
but I also gave her info on all kinds of
things she ended up not printing. I think,
as an old Commodore user, she got
caught up in the interview and then had to
pare down for the size allotment she was
given.

So, there are lots of things, like
specifics on what we can do with our
machines to supplier listings to user group
contacts to speed comparisons that I felt
were left out, but I am not complaining. I
am just glad for the press we did receive.

Jeff: What has happened since the
article? What's changed?

Jim: The WWW site usage has jumped
through the roof. I track usage for the
pages, and the stats, which show 150-250
hits a day for most days, jumped to 800-
900 hits for a few days after and has
settled into the 400-500 mark. CMD and
Gaelyne Moranec, who use my automated
mail-WWW service to put their home
pages up her, also showed similar
increases.

Jeff:I dunno how this works, but does the

nmber of hits translate into additional
change in your pocket (I hope)?

Jim: I wish. No, but the exposure doesn't
hurt for my other business, which does
Internet consulting. Mainly, it is a warm
fuzzy for me, but CMD, who tracks their
usage off my page, likes the numbers and
for the cost, it is very good advertising.

Jeff: LOADSTAR has to begin
monitoring its site and adding files. Our
IBM guy, Dan Tobias, actually manages
it. I don't have time. Frankly I haven't
learned I-language yet. I've Downloaded
the Big Dummy's Guide to The Internet,
but I think I must be a huge dummy.

Jim: Better get on. I am trying to get as
many CBM resources online and on the
WWW as I can.

Jeff: What else has changed?

Jim: The article was reprinted in the San
Jose Mercury News, as well as a
newspaper initialed the IJ. I'm getting a
copy, and will figure out what the intials
stand for later. In addition, the Detroit
News did an interview for a small piece in
that paper. So, consequently, I have been
swamped with email and snail mail,
which has delayed the FAQ, the Trivia,
and just replying. I am still getting email
from the June 27th article.

The Networking effect of the article
has been great. People looking to buy
getting in touch with sellers, both whom
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sites, and other resources for the CBM
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now know they are not alone with their
machine. □

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17 [003] *NRB* "over heating..."

By: MR.SMALL @ GQB

On: Wed Jul 12, 1995 6:42 AM

LR: Fri Jul 14, 1995 8:47 AM

- 3 Responses -

Posted On: Tue Jul 4, 1995 11:30 PM

I have a small problem with my C-64...
its power supply likes to over heat quickly.... is
there any thing that I can do to slow or stop it
from OVER heating., it would be helpful....

-Response #1 of 3-
By JEFF JONES-LSD1
On Thu Jul 13, 1995 2:58 PM
Subtopic: Keeping cool

You can try taking your power supply off
of the carpet if it's on the floor. Move it away
from other power supplies, hang it in front of
your air conditioner, sit an iron skillet on top of it
and use it as a heat sink.

But NOTHING will stop it from dying. It is
INDEED dying. If it's fixable, get it fixed. If not,
call CMD or SSI and get a new power supply. I
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-Response #2 of 3-

By BLACK SABER @ CHM

On Thu Jul 13, 1995 8:46 PM

Subtopic: Yes..

From CHMAG BBS

on Thu Jul 1 3, 1 995 2:51 PM

The best thing to do is replace it with a
heavy duty power supply. Also it could be an
indication that your power supply is on it's way
out. I had that problem with the first C-64 I
bought. I used to cool mine off with those blue
"bricks" that you put in your lunchbox to keep
the drinks cold. Wrap two bricks individually in
plastic, then tie them on either side of the
power supply. That should buy you some time.
Find out why your power supply is running hot.
Are you using extra stuff (like a ram expander)
that requires the use of power from your
computer? Is there a short in your computer? If
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"BLACK SABER"
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Philadelphia, PA 215-242-4604

-Response #3 of 3-
By JEFF JONES-LSD1
On Fri Jul 14, 1995 8:47 AM
Subtopic: Cold Physics

It would be better to place the blue
bricks on top (if the power supply has no top
vents where condensation can drip in). Cold
doesn't radiate. It isn't energy. It's a lack of it.

BTW, the ice does work. Even though
my powersupply was one of the heavy solid

plastic ones, I once made sure that my power
supply was sealed using a sealant, and used to
dip it in ice water. That power supply was so
bad that it would go out in two minutes. In the
ice water, it would go all day. But it still finally,
and suddenly died.

I DO NOT SUGGEST THAT ANYONE
DO WHAT I DID WITH THE ICE WATER.
HOW EVER EFFECTIVE IT WAS, IT WAS
STUPID AND DANGEROUS!!!! □

Turbomaster 4MHZ
BBS Saga Comes to an

End -- For Now

#12 User: BOATS [#204]

Date: Sun Jul 2, 1995 7:17 AM Name:

JOHN SUMMA

Comp: Commodore 128

Just a question. I've been on several
Image BBS's and yours is by far the fastest.
Why? It prints to the screen faster, changes
sections faster, in the SB section, counts and
displays the messages faster. Just seems to
access everything faster. Any particular
reason? Curious...

Jeff: That's because I had a TurboMaster
cartridge plugged in. It's not plugged in
anymore because I can't get the BBS to
properly network with other BBSs with the
cartridge enabled. If the BBS weren't
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over an hour. Here's why I couldn't get it to
work.

By JEFF JONES-LSD1

On Mon Jul 3, 1995 12:18 AM

Subtopic: Disabling Turbomaster

I tried disabling the Turbomaster in
strategeic places, but there is a bigger problem
with the way TurboMaster works. You can
EASILY disable and re-enable by flipping bit 7
of location 0. Problem is that the disabling
doesn't stick after ANY disk access. As you
know, net processing is FULL of disk access.

I tried disabling after ALL disk access,
but some lines in the code appear to be hidden
from view. So unless Image fixes this, I guess it
won't be fixed. □

Advanced Online Math

Self Help

4 [006] — "Looking For MathFunc"
By: TWILIGHT © SFB
On: Tue Apr 25, 1995 2:33 AM
LR: Fri May 12, 1995 7:05 AM

I am looking for the math function for find the
distance between two xy coordinates. The
descriptions of the problem is as follows:

Master Grid is 100 by 100 units This Grid is
split up into a Meta-grid of 10 by 10 numbered
between 00 to 99. Each number represents an
xy coordinate ( X being 10s and Y Being ones
). Each XY Coordinate contains a 10 by 10 grid
of the same type. An example is:

Starting point Meta-grid 55

Lesser grid 78

Ending point Meta-grid 66

Lesser grid 12

The formula numbers are:

X1 = 57, Y1 = 58 & X2 = 61, Y2 = 62

The X Coordinate difference is 4 The Y
Coordinate difference is 4. What is the formula
for finding the distance between the two XY
Coordinates, You can use any units
measurement to help, but I will need to be able
to translate this into CBM Basic for
incorporation into a game.
Twilight

-Response #1 of 6-
By TWILIGHT @ SFB
On Tue Apr 25, 1995 2:34 AM
Subtopic: Found it

Distance=SQR((X1 -X2)*2+(Y1 -Y2)*2)

in BASIC:

D-S0R ( (X1 -X2) "2+ (Yl -Y2) A 2)

To find the distance to two decimal places
add.

0-INTOOO* ... )/100

D- 1 NT (1 00*SOR ( (XI -X2) A 2+ (Y1 -Y2) ~2) ) /I 00

Given that X1=57, X2=58, Y1=61, and Y2=62
the distance is 2.41 .

-Response #2 of 6-
By ROCKET MAN ® SFB
On Tue Apr 25, 1995 3:29 AM
Subtopic: distance

Yes that will work but the Basic
interpreter is very stupid. If you use (X1-X2) A 2
the interpreter will use some very slow routines.
Use t=X1-X2; t*t (or (X1-X2)*(X1-X2) ) which
will be much faster and sometimes more
accurate.

-Response #3 of 6-

By TWILIGHT® SFB

On Tue Apr 25, 1995 3:29 AM

Subtopic: what?

If you look at your last statement, Rocket
Man, you will find out that your problem is
wrong. The solution to your problem is zero. To
find distance You must take the XY differences
and raise them to the power of 2 and add them
together. The square of this is the distance
between XY1 and XY2.

-Response #4 of 6-

By GEOFF @ ELY

On Tue Apr 25, 1995 3:29 AM

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-Response #5 of 6-
By TECHNICIAN @ GQB
On Thu Apr 27, 1995 5:40 AM
Subtopic: R

Working on X-Y grids, the Pythagorian Theorem works fine, since
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-Response #6 of 6-
By ROCKET MAN @ SFB
On Fri May 12, 1995 7:05 AM
Subtopic: correct

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